THE POPE AND INTELLIGENT DESIGN

Here’s an intelligent defense of Benedict XVI. I hope he’s right, and I’m wrong.

JONAH’S POINT II: Two readers respond:

Goldberg’s argument is a non-starter. Our torture policy is not just immoral – it’s been implemented on people who are far, far from “mass murderers.” Just look at Abu Ghraib … or Ashcroft’s pathetic record on, you know, actually prosecuting real terrorists. Our torture policy is the worst of all worlds–it inflicts torture on innocent people thus creating far more many terrorists than would have existed if we had not tortured anyone at all.

I agree. We have many instances of sanctioned abuse (and even murder) of completely innocent people. The extreme case – the ticking bomb scenario – is, to my mind, another red herring. If such a situation were to emerge, the president’s emergency executive powers could allow him to violate the law in an exceptional circumstance. Those who made such a call might face criminal sanction of even resignation. But they wouldn’t be stopped from doing the right thing in such an extreme case. The current system, where torture and abuse are lawfully permitted by the military and the CIA, has been a disaster on every level. Then there’s the profound moral point that Jonah’s remarkable relativism obscures. A reader explains:

[Goldberg’s] logic leaves me with a feeling of despair. Has he intentionally created a place where there is no morality other than within a particular context, a context that is always changing? Is this what the neo-conservatives (in the broad sense) have left us with? ‘The difference was that the people we put in prisons were criminals. The people they put in the Gulag were men of conscience like Solzhenitsyn and Sharansky.’

So torture is okay dependent on the moral standing of the tortured? And who decides such standing? And after what due process?

JONAH’S POINT I

Here’s a specific point of disagreement. Jonah writes:

One can make the argument that we should not torture mass murderers on moral or pragmatic grounds without elevating the moral status of mass murderers.

My argument would be that you cannot raise or lower the moral status of mass murderers with respect to torture. The only salient moral status with respect to torture is that the mass murderers are human beings. And what this hideous policy has necessarily done is to create a new class of prisoners that are regarded as sub-human, i.e., beneath the most basic of Geneva protections for even illegal combatants. My second argument would be that this is not about the moral status of terrorists or mass murderers. It’s about us, the moral status of the West, and places where as a civilization, we simply will not go as a matter of policy. I guess others will differ and I am glad at last that they are now prepared to say so. But for me, this is a clear line. And we cannot cross it, by enshrining the right to torture into law.

THE CHURCH AND EVOLUTION

Like many other Catholics, I was relieved last week when Cardinal Poupard insisted that there was no fundamental conflict between Catholicism and evolution: “Fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim.” This has long been the Church’s position, and its re-statement came at a moment when the loopy right is trying to undermine science education in the United States. The London Times’ Rees-Mogg even wrote:

Cardinal Poupard’s statement clarified the acceptance of Darwinism and rightly asserted that religious belief is compatible with the theory of evolution. He also gave a further indication that the mindset of Benedict XVI may be a good deal more modern than had been expected. One should have foreseen that with a German pope. The German Church has a strong tradition of theological inquiry in which Benedict XVI has been educated.

Alas, not so fast. Almost immediately, the Pope came out with a statement that clearly signals the hierarchy’s flirtation with intelligent design. Rees-Mogg argues that Benedict is an intellectual. Maybe. But he is a politician first.

LINCOLN

The scoffing from the back row from my quoting Lincoln deserves, I guess, a response. Yes, I am, of course, well aware that he briefly suspended Habeas Corpus. It was re-reading about those years and decisions in Doris Kearns Goodwin’s book that brought me upon that quote. Lincoln’s decision is still debatable, but it was made at a time of national meltdown. My point here is that even Lincoln, in the most perilous political situation imaginable, still recognized the vital importance of defending the liberties that the Constitution is fundamentally constructed to protect. I have never heard president Bush extol the importance of civil liberties for Americans, and the need to guard against the criminal arm of government. It would be good to know that he even appreciates the trade-off. Maybe I’ve missed his defense of civil liberties for Americans. If someone finds a quote from him in that respect that isn’t pro forma boilerplate, I’ll gladly post it.

HABEAS CORPUS GUTTED?

The just-passed Graham Amendment may be voided in its worst manifestations by an upcoming vote on an extra amendment, offered by Senator Bingaman next week. There may be complicated parliamentary maneuvring going on. What am I saying? May be. There is. The reasons to worry about the Graham bill are ably set out by Marty Lederman here, whose expertise vastly exceeds my own. I can see why enemy combatants might be denied the usual habeas corpus protections of citizens, if not minimal protections under Geneva. But the removal of all judicial oversight of their cases – which is what the Graham amendment would mean – leaves the entire question of detainee rights in the hands of the Pentagon. Rummy is asking us to trust him. At this point, why would any sane person do so?

QUOTE FOR THE DAY I

“I fear you do not fully comprehend the danger of abridging the liberties of the people. Nothing but the sternest necessity can ever justify it. A government had better go to the extreme of toleration, than to do aught that could be construed into an interference with, or to jeopardize in any degree, the common rights of its citizens,” – Abraham Lincoln, in the midst of a national insurrection. It’s on page 523 of Doris Kearns Goodwin’s wonderful new book, “Team of Rivals.” The italics are in the original.

QUOTE FOR THE DAY II: “We do not torture,” – George W. Bush, earlier this week.

RUMMY’S LAST STAND

He’s working very, very hard to maintain the policy enabling the torture or abuse of military detainees. His latest gambit is a new DoD directive that claims to address the concerns raised by Senator McCain. Money quote from Scott Horton:

No one who has tracked this issue is misled even for a second as to the major goal of this effort: it is to preserve the CIA’s ability to use highly coercive techniques – cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, and yes, torture – in their intelligence gathering process. But a careful examination of the new directive shows that it is more an effort to entrench current abusive policies than a recognition of criticisms and resolve to fairly answer them.

A full analysis here.