The Weekly Wrap

Today on the Dish, we judged books by their covers and judging by Mehlman, gays were either destroying our country or don’t exist. Conor captured start-ups and wipe-outs on the California scene and made the case for localism. The Catholic Church got the mosque treatment; hipsters got more of the church treatment, and Dan Savage asked the crazies to have a little faith.

Will Wilkinson got some post-partisan love; liberty and tyranny still weren’t very useful for liberals, or libertarians; and B. Daniel Blatt thought being gay among conservatives was easier than the other way around. High class city living across the country was pretty hard to compare; while government officials were wreaking havoc on poor people’s property in Montgomery, Alabama and firefighters’ pensions were probably unsustainable according to one in the know. The Arab press responded to the Park 51 mosque; Larison did another round with Douthat; and we disassembled the military conservative complex and parsed the Pakistani military role in the humanitarian crisis.

Egypt got a little risque with Coca Cola; we charted the bard; and sharks may or may not be chasing our boss. Facebook sued so teachers can’t use the “book;” and the cat came back to haunt us. VFYW here; Malkin award here; FOTD here; creepy ad watch here; MHB here; and long form ketchup journalism here. Bristol is going dancing with the Situation and Levi was sorry for saying sorry about his situation.

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Thursday on the Dish, we debated Americans’ obsession with moderate Islam and how it eclipses the greater battle against extremists. Exum declared a different sort of victory in Iraq; we saw a another side of the war in Afghanistan; Wilkinson and Conor debunked the myth of the much brighter past; and this reader mused on memorials. Frum found Romney’s Achilles heel; Reid went negative; and sometimes rental inspectors save the day.

We got a glimpse of the view from your recession; some blowback on the Cash for Clunkers debunking; and Mehlman came out of the closet. We wrapped our minds around the fallout from the housing market crash; tuned in to drop-outs; and tackled why no one really wants to live in the middle of the woods and get paid in cash. Pensions came back to haunt us; Kinsley pushed for more stem cell research; and Bernstein put liberals and conservatives into their respective camps.

We compared cats and children; kept an eye on Christianists, and an ear on Marin’s Christian apology. VFYW here; MHB here; FOTD here; long form accolades can be found here and here; the case against envy here, and poking continued across international lines. We inducted Neutral Milk Hotel, Nick Cave, and Black Sabbath into the annals of hip Christian rock; Infinite Jest battled infinite Joyce; and liberals and libertarians all wanted to swim in the deep end.

Wednesday on the Dish, Conor arm-wrestled with Poulos over liberty vs. tyranny. Drezner dissected the millennials’ attitudes on war; private prisons seemed a little perverse; and we heard a personal testimony from the ground on dropout factories. Alaska may be the start of the establishment upset thanks to Palin, and an apologetic Christian said sorry to his gay best friends, but still thought it was a sin.

On the Mosque, Santorum spread lies; Harper had faith in American society; and Daniel Larison threw in his two-cents. Conor differed with David Pryce-Jones over how most Americans view Islamist radicals and this stabbing was a bad omen. We checked in on Pakistani politics and a trucker’s view of the traffic jam in China. Drum defended statism; renters were searched like second class citizens; and used cars cost more thanks to Cash for Clunkers. 

Facebook dissed pot, approved cocaine, and lectured you on having babies. Religious hipsters continued to rock; and we kept up the rants on hula hoops, Christmas trees and the rat race. Serwer wanted his video games to stay unrealistic, and when it comes to gadgets and redevelopment projects, sometimes less is more. We got a sobering view of one man’s depression and the chart of the day here, VFYW here, MHB here, FOTD here, and Colbert bait here. Time Magazine grew up; firefighters got rich (thanks to pensions); and this woman got caught hating cats.

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Tuesday on the Dish, Mosque detractors papered the streets of New York; readers reminded us of past and present real estate and Mosque clashes; and Budiansky railed against excessive memorials. We assessed the odds of Obama being a Muslim vs ghosts existing; Weigel compared slurs; and the New York Post costs less than Skittles. Mormons reacted to the Mosque on religious freedom; and there are round-ups of the rest of the debate here and here.

We analyzed our two unfinished wars; the WikiLeaks rape case didn’t help cases of real sexual assault, and Conor parsed whether the military should have cooperated with WikiLeaks, with Conn Carroll on Bloggingheads. Fallows reminded us about how declarations of war have to work; and Lynch argued Goldberg’s article makes an attack less likely.

We found some hipster church rockers that passed the sniff test; tracked the housing market crash; and kept tabs on Obama’s record on gay marriage. We dished on for-profit prisons, anchor embryos, the success of the stimulus, and more on dropout factories. Conor leveled Levin on statism; Wilkinson weighed in; and readers responded to elitism in America.

We baited Sullivan on the natural law of beards; bedbugs are worse in recessions because of our moods; and the Fox News farce reached all new heights. Readers berated the extravagant burial process; while Conor mocked email footer madness, and others ranted on cursive, curse words, and going topless. Balloons should cost more; and your long form fix for today is here. Creepy ad watch here; MHB here; island VFYW here; FOTD here. VFYW contest #12 winner here; and this reader of the day living vicariously and happily through better traveled Dish fans here.

Monday on the Dish, Muslims prayed at Ground Zero, while detractors angrily protested a non-Muslim man. Stephen Prothero put Mormons on the spot; Kinsley kept at Krauthammer; Eli Lake and Adam Sewer squared off for a Blogging Heads round; and moderate Muslims do (obviously) exist. We opened the thread on America and its ruling elites and asked the Tea Party what changes they might propose.

Sharron Angle campaigned against jersey colors, Hasselbeck supported gay marriage, and John Hawkins wanted to make the Republican party actually inclusive. We parsed Obama’s faulty logic on gay marriage and examined whether Ron Paul really mattered. Conor riffed on liberty vs tyranny; Reihan took the rightier road to keeping the rich here in the U.S; and we dropped in on high school and college dropout factories.

Goldblog and Lynch expounded on Israel; Mongolia begged us to visit, and a surge in porn markets could be good for Iraq. Damaged irrigation systems could lead to food shortages in Pakistan, and combat operations never end when governments say they do.

TNC went night walking; bloggers got taxed in Philadelphia, and others got paid by the GOP. Our choices for beverages were limited, but we learned we’re not that good at choice blindness anyways. The dog pile on Cesar Millan continued; hipster Christian rock bands have to pass the sniff test; and we all paid the fear tax.

Question of the week here, VFYW here, MHB here, FOTD here, and awkward family pet portraits here.

— Z.P.

How Ideologues Are Made

by Patrick Appel

Ron Replogle uses the abortion debate to explain political group formation:

Your ideological community is the class of people whose moral and political sensibility, their inventory of political principles and battery of moral reflexes, carry weight in your political deliberation. An ideologue is prepared to reject a favorite principle when enough of her ideological comrades have sufficiently powerful moral qualms about its applications. And she’ll swallow her own moral qualms about a principle when she and her comrades can’t think of a better one. This needn’t be a matter of peer pressure subverting one’s better judgment.

All other things being equal, a conviction’s being shared by a deliberative community large and culturally diverse enough not to be taken in by idiosyncratic or narrowly parochial prejudices, but sufficiently like-minded to unite behind a substantive political agenda, is a good reason for believing it. That makes the gravitational pull ideological communities exert on the content of their members’ beliefs an essential feature of political rationality. When such a community deliberates effectively, its members draw on the wisdom of the group to attain a measure of objectivity they can’t achieve on their own. When it deliberates less-than-rationally, its members’ views will be ill-considered.

Can Church Be Hip? Ctd

by Chris Bodenner

A reader writes:

Based on the material you've been showcasing, "Can church be hip?" is not the question you're actually exploring. Those songs may make reference to Christian concepts or images, but they are lyrics; they display an intimate, personal, unique and emotionally charged state of mind, and are clearly intended for performance or for private listening as recordings.  They are manifestly not appropriate for "church" in any sense that I as a lifelong churchgoer would recognize.  They are not songs for worship – communal in nature and addressed to God or expressing the community's universal understanding of God or the faith story.

I could see these pieces in a "Christian coffeehouse."  But if the "hip" emergent church or the megachurches have begun using this sort of material for "worship," then they have departed even further than I realized from thousands of years of Judeo-Christian tradition for gathered celebration and supplication.  And in that case, the answer to your question would be, it may be hip, it may be Christian, but it's not church, because it's not worship, any more than listening to a reading of John Donne's or T.S. Eliot's lyrics – admirable Christian poetry – would be worship.

True, the thread has veered a bit from the original post, but Dish threads always have a life of their own. And without getting into a semantic debate about what constitutes "church" and "worship," I think the central theme of "religion and credible indie music are not mutually exclusive" holds. Plus, the thread is a good excuse to air great music. Another writes:

The conflation of Christian themed songs with a supposedly hip "Church" is ignorant of music history. In fact, it gives evidence that the Church struggles to be hip. Music has never had a problem being hip, and never shied from referencing religion, God, etc.  Nick Cave? Black Sabbath? Is that all people can come up with? For Christ's sake, classic Soul is mid-century black Gospel music with a couple of words changed. The white, European Church has the issue, not musicians and songwriters. (BTW, Ozzy didn't write "Beyond Forever," Tony Iommi did. Do your "hip" readers think the band is called Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones?)

I made the Ozzy reference regarding the lyrics because of his famously incomprehensible voice, not because he wrote them. Also, the dozen or so artists that have been featured so far are just a fraction of the submissions that I am still sorting through; expect many more, and more obscure ones. Another adds:

Sabbath guitar hero (and really, band leader) Tony Iommi is on record saying that he was worn a crucifix and had a large crucifix placed on stage for every concert Black Sabbath ever performed. He is Italian-Catholic and was taught by his superstitious grandma to be not play with dark forces without the vital protection.

Another:

The Velvet Underground song "Jesus" is one of my favorite Christian songs. And you can't get much hipper than the Velvet Underground.

Why Mehlman Matters, Ctd

by Chris Bodenner

A reader writes:

This reader underestimates the importance of gay visibility outside of urban America. In poorer and more rural parts of the country, being gay may have become more visible in the last several decades, but there are still major impediments to being out and proud. America is a huge, diverse country, and nowhere near uniform in any way. If Mehlman is going to have an impact, it'll be on people like the low-level staffers and wonks that are rising within Republican circles. Hardly the most powerful figures in D.C., but not a bunch of nobodies either.

Face Of The Day

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A young girl, displaced from her home by flooding, lines up for food rations with others holding empty containers and ration cards at a Pakistan Army flood relief camp on August 27, 2010 near Sukkur in Sindh province, Pakistan. The country's agricultural heartland has been devastated, with rice, corn and wheat crops destroyed by floods. Officials say as many as 20 million people have been affected during Pakistan's worst flooding in 80 years. The army and aid organizations are struggling to cope with the widespread scale of the disaster that has killed over 1,600 people and displaced millions. The UN has described the disaster as unprecedented, with over a third of the country under water. By Daniel Berehulak/Getty Images.

Why Not Raise The Retirement Age? Ctd

by Patrick Appel

Drum provides one answer:

[W]here does the preoccupation with [raising the retirement age to] age 70 come from? That would represent a decrease in the expected number of years of retirement since 1970, during a period in which the United States has become nearly twice as wealthy. That doesn't even begin to make sense. Sure, life expectancy may increase in the future, but if it does then we have the option of increasing the retirement age when it happens. For now, we should make policy based on current reality, and the current reality is that life expectancy at age 65 has increased only 3.5 years since 1970. There's no reason the retirement age should increase five years in response.

When YouTube Distorts

by Chris Bodenner

A reader writes:

Dan Savage is awesome usually, but during this period in which he's been on a "roll" he also denounced a rather benign Toronto church group as "Christofascists" based on incorrect information provided by a YouTube poster who later admitted he had no evidence for what he was saying.  That was pretty bad.  Full story here.

Land of Plenty

by Zoe Pollock

This video, from students at the Vancouver Film School, visualizes a different sort of pseudovariety, this time within our natural food systems. Out of 80,000 edible plants we choose only 30 to supply 90% of the calories in our diet; 14 animal species make up 90% of our livestock. The scariest realizations are about 1:45 in.