Support For Marriage Equality Accelerating? Ctd

Glenn Beck signs up. Money quote:

O'REILLY: Do you believe — do you believe that gay marriage is a threat to the country in any way?

BECK: A threat to the country?

O'REILLY: Yeah, it going to harm the country?

BECK: No, I don't. Will the gays come and get us?

O'REILLY: OK. Is it going to harm the country in any way?

BECK: I believe — I believe what Thomas Jefferson said. If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket, what difference is it to me?

O'REILLY: OK, so you don't. That's interesting. Because I don't think a lot of people understand that about you.

At The Hour Of Their Death

Susan Orlean and Elizabeth Gilbert talk about a tragedy known to all dog owners: the vast difference between our life span and theirs. They take solace in what the death of a beloved pet can teach us:

Just a few days after that conversation was recorded Susan Orlean’s dog died.

My own reflections on this subject here. But an update: Dusty this summer has sprung back to puppy levels of energy. Her bad leg has healed and as she got to the beach she has spent every summer of her life on, she became a dynamo of joy. She’s 12 years old and acts like a three year-old. And she’s still deafening when she howls (which is often and always at the mere concept of anything edible).

Support For Marriage Equality Accelerating?

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What backlash? CNN's latest poll, in the wake of the Walker decision, is easily the most promising to date for those of us in support of marriage rights for all. For the first time, a slim majority of all Americans backs not just marriage, but a constitutional right to marriage for gay couples. A majority, in other words, believes this to be a civil rights issue, which, of course, it is, because civil marriage has long been regarded as a fundamental civil right in American constitutional history. And a majority is in favor! I'm not sure what to make of a small discrepancy in wording – between whether gays already "have" such a right or whether they "should have" – but wouldn't go so far as Allahpundit in arguing it shows that this process should be driven solely by state legislatures.

I know it's messy, but surely the fact is that the classic American process is not, and should not be, either judicial tyranny or majority rule over a minority's rights. It's an ongoing interaction of the two. Would I prefer a total legislative and democratic victory for marriage equality? You bet I would. At the same time, can anyone gainsay our amazing progress in making the case?

In 1989, the idea was preposterous. But by relentless arguing, debate, litigation and legislative and ballot-box initiatives, we have moved the needle faster than anyone once dreamed of. When a proposition has 50 percent support, you can argue either that there is no need for the courts to act. But you could equally argue that with public support already this high, such a ruling could not meaningfully represent anything approximating "tyranny". Certainly far less so than when the courts struck down bans on inter-racial marriage which enjoyed very strong popular support at the time, especially in the states where they prevailed.

And the process of litigation – the public educative function of the courts – has clearly pushed opinion in favor over the years. Just having this issue in the public realm as one generation grew up has transformed public opinion. I see this dynamic as a distinctly American one, where the three branches of government and the people address emerging social issues in a messy, but healthy way. More to the point, those in the gay leadership (the Human Rights Campaign primarily among them) who did not want this movement, took a decade to support it, favored civil unions and domestic partnerships over an allegedly divisive call for full equality … have been proven totally wrong. Nate Silver on the accelerating support for marriage equality:

Something to bear in mind is that it's only been fairly recently that gay rights groups — and other liberals and libertarians — shifted toward a strategy of explicitly calling for full equity in marriage rights, rather than finding civil unions to be an acceptable compromise. While there is not necessarily zero risk of backlash resulting from things like court decisions — support for gay marriage slid backward by a couple of points, albeit temporarily, after a Massachusetts' court's ruling in 2003 that same-sex marriage was required by that state's constitution — it seems that, in general, "having the debate" is helpful to the gay marriage cause, probably because the secular justifications against it are generally quite weak.

That's why I was never afraid to publish and disseminate the opposition's arguments, as in my anthology, because I could see how transparently weak they are. And the notion that people cannot respond to reason on this issue, and are only motivated by animus, has simply been disproved in the last two decades.

Just look at the generation gap, or rather gulf. CNN's poll only looks at the over or under 50 issue, but there, nearly 60 percent of all the under-50s back marriage equality. Imagine what the numbers are for the under-30s. And the reason you may not be hearing more from the GOP on the subject is the remarkable alignment of Democrats and Independents on this topic – they are identical in outlook. It is the Republican party that is increasingly isolated – older, and more rural.

Of course, the same poll showed an even division on birthright citizenship and hefty opposition to the Cordoba Project. Maybe the new "other" is increasingly not the gays, but Muslims and the children of illegal immigrants. Sigh.

Yglesias Award Nominee II

"Why Sarah Palin decided to get in the race is beyond me. I don't know why she feels compelled to get into primaries all over the country. … Well, yes, I wish she [would butt out of contested primaries] because what she is doing is dividing the Republican Party at a time when we don't need to be divided," – Congressman Jack Kingston.

Man is he in for a shellacking.

Quote For The Day

"Jews know that they can land on their feet in any corner of the world," – Ehud Barak, making a less familiar  case for Zionism (or, rather for why Israel should risk engulfing the world in a new and terribly dangerous religious war to prevent long-term out-migration).

I hope to comment in greater depth soon on Jeffrey Goldberg's cover-story in the Atlantic.

Malkin Award Nominee

"Most great powers unravel from within before invading armies (or in America's case, terrorists) conquer them. A preacher might develop a good sermon on how nations fare when they mock God. No less a theological thinker than Abraham Lincoln concluded that our Civil War might have been God's judgment for America's tolerance of slavery. If that were so, why should "the Almighty," as Lincoln frequently referred to God, stay His hand in the face of our celebration of same-sex marriage?" – Cal Thomas, losing his shit, Washington Examiner.

He makes no actual argument, of course, on why civil marriage cannot be extended to gay couples.

Obama’s Use Of Tortured Evidence

Jennifer Turner at the ACLU argues that “although President Obama promised transparency and sharp limits on the use of tortured and coerced statements against the accused,” a detainee captured during the Bush years and sentenced earlier this week at Guantanamo Bay continues America’s pattern of abuse.

Khadr, then 15 years old, was taken to Bagram near death, after being shot twice in the back, blinded by shrapnel, and buried in rubble from a bomb blast. He was interrogated within hours, while sedated and handcuffed to a stretcher. He was threatened with gang rape and death if he didn’t cooperate with interrogators. He was hooded and chained with his arms suspended in a cage-like cell, and his primary interrogator was later court-martialed for detainee abuse leading to the death of a detainee. During his subsequent eight-year (so far) detention at Guantánamo, Khadr was subjected to the “frequent flyer” sleep deprivation program and he says he was used as a human mop after he was forced to urinate on himself.

In closing arguments before the judge’s ruling, Khadr’s sole defense lawyer, Lt. Col. Jon Jackson, told the judge, “Sir, be a voice today. Tell the world that we actually stand for what we say we stand for.”

Though President Obama promised that coerced evidence would not be used against detainees in the military commissions, today’s ruling suggests that as a country, we stand for abusing a 15-year-old teenager into confessing, and using those confessions against him in an illegitimate proceeding.

The danger of torture is not just the act of torture. It is the way in which the powerful can produce the confessions they want. And the necessity of proving, in this case, that imprisoning and torturing a 15 year-old was not a mistake makes the government double down even further. What happens is that physical force is introduced into the system of alleged justice. There is no justice then; just power.

Yglesias Award Nominee

"Conservatives cannot deny that our Founders intended the judiciary as an equal and independent branch of government purposed to ensure the protection of every citizen’s rights. The Supreme Court has previously ruled that the right to marry is a fundamental constitutional right.

When an unpopular minority is denied the right to marry, it is indeed the role of the courts to protect the rights of that minority, especially when a majority would deny them. This is why Judge Walker’s opinion reads, “That the majority of California voters supported Proposition 8 is irrelevant, as fundamental rights may not be submitted to [a] vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”

Not to mention that conservatives have a flawed history with civil rights, a trend that began when Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act as unconstitutional. While Goldwater was no racist there is clearly a conservative precedent for a breakdown at the intersection of ideology and reality," – Fox News contributor Margaret Hoover, in an open letter to "fellow conservatives."