Less Wiggle Room

Will Wilkinson wishes that government officials were more constrained by rules, especially when it comes time to stimulate the economy:

What I’d really like to see is much greater reliance on automatic stabilizers that deploy quickly with adequate force and retract according to well-defined recovery benchmarks. How about monetary policy? Central banking is part of our de facto constitution. I’d like its role and governing rules be set into the actual constitution. Very roughly, something like: Every n years, Congress (drawing on the advice of experts, of course) sets an inflation or NGDP growth rate target. The Fed’s job is to hit the target. There should be experts in the Fed who know how to do this…

Now, this is not a world without a treasury secretaries, central bankers, regulators, or White House economic advisors. It’s a world in which the elite economists who generally fill these positions are more pinned in by the constitutional framework. This is, I think, a world in which economists in government face fewer conflicts of interest, because there is less they and their principals can do to make or break their friends and partners in business. And this is a world of greater political equality, where the unelected cream of a few top universities don’t have political pull so radically out of proportion with typical members of the democracy.

Water In A Box

It's being packaged that way by a company that asserts it's better than the bottled stuff:

The startup, which calls itself Boxed Water Is Better, distributes water in milk cartons under the premise that paper packaging is gentler on the earth than standard-issue PET plastic bottles. Seventy-six percent of each carton comes from green-certified trees; it's then shipped flat to the water supplier, cutting back on transportation waste. The cartons can be recycled. And 20 percent of the profits go toward tree and water relief organizations — though, it should be noted, that that hasn't happened yet because, as the company says, "we're still paying for our start-up costs."

But there are caveats:

…cartons are unlikely to replace bottles in terms of practicality. Imagine jogging with a milk carton or trying to put it in your purse after you've already opened it. You might as well stick a hose in there. The best that boxed water could hope for is to replace tap water — and tap water is kinder to the environment than any packaging out there, whether plastic, glass, or paper.

Chart Of The Day

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Aaron Carroll explodes a talking point:

I’m not denying that some people with means might come to the United States for care.  If I needed a heart/lung transplant, there’s no place I’d rather be.  But for the vast, vast majority of people, that’s not happening.  You shouldn’t use the anecdote to describe things at a population level.  This study showed you three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them, all showing that this meme is mostly apocryphal.

What Should They Be Called?

Says Nicole at Postbourgie:

I don’t like the term “illegals.”  If you’re going to call people “illegals”, let’s be fair and apply it to everyone who has ever done anything illegal.  That would include me, you, Lou Dobbs, jaywalkers, underage drinkers, and almost everyone I know over the age of 10.

But “illegal immigrant”?  The simple fact is that if one immigrates without a visa, or stays after the visa expires, that is illegal.  I’m not saying there aren’t justifiable reasons for doing so, but that doesn’t make it any less against the law.

Adam Serwer agrees. They're both pushing back against a campaign by Colorlines to "drop the I word."

A Decade Of The Dish: Your Reflections III

A reader writes:

After a whole day of reading the Dish blog about itself, I'm starting to see Christine O'Donnell's point about masturbation.

Another writes:

First, happy 10 years. Second, thanks for the toast/roast event, which has led me to some blogs and bloggers that I never have clicked on before, opening my mind up to some other voices. Which is, in some way, the whole point of the Blogosphere, yes?

Another:

While many think of a blog as a wholly new medium, others compare it to a sort of magazine.  I think it is in many ways it is actually a fusion of newspaper, magazine, and TV channel.  The latter is in part due to your ability to show video, but it has more to do with how your posts or "segments," if you will, roll out through the day.  I can follow the Dish during the day in much the same way I would if I left my favorite channel running in the background while I do my work or chores or cooking.  Your posts come to me in time such that there can be a flowing continuity of information, covering many threads, some of which I allow to interrupt my day while I explore them there in the moment. 

Except the Dish is better than a TV channel.  I don't have to find the segments when they air at a scheduled time, because they are presented in a column style interactive newspaper format.  I can catch up on them later and scan in much the way I do a newspaper to see what I've missed that interests me.  This exposes me to more topics than I would otherwise take interest in.

And I follow the Dish's conversations over time, and through endless chains of links out into the rest of the world.  I'm automatically linked into deeper or different information.  Neither magazines nor TV provide that very well.  Linking is like the bibliography of the web, and with the web I finally find a bibliography practical and functional in my everyday life.

Another:

I tried to write something profound to mark your 10th anniversary.   Although I disagree with you regularly, you have posted a few of my emails and are my favorite blog.  Out of all this material, however, the one thing I keep coming back to is your definition of the word “hubris” (= the smell of one's own farts). So I hope you take this as a compliment: I can’t fart without thinking of you. 

Another:

It's very odd to wax sentimental about someone I've never actually met, but I'll give it a go. 

The most wonderful thing about your blog – by far – is that you just don't give a fuck what other people think.  That's exactly how I describe you to friends.  When you write something, it's because you believe it.  You take on issues and causes that many others refuse to touch (Zionism, male circumcision, pot legalization). 

And, even more extraordinarily, you actually post dissenting views and admit when you're wrong.  As one of your readers, I feel like the only audience to whom you feel accountable is us.  That's probably a bit naive, but I don't think I'm too far off.  In a media environment filled with condescension, propaganda, and obfuscation, you actually respect your readers.

In another life, you were the high school teacher that students kept in touch with and asked for advice long after entering adulthood.

Another:

Congratulations on your first decade. Thought you might like to know that I've learned a lot from your work (and the work of your team) about blogging as a medium – what it can do to text and literacy itself – which has helped me become a better English teacher. My students agree: blogging is a cool way to improve one's writing. Many of the tricks I now use to communicate with them, analyze their work, and model my own thinking and writing for them, I picked up from the Dish. Betcha didn't know your work can shape high school pedagogy!

Another:

I'm a college student, and when my communications teacher asked me my primary source of news online, I said the Dish. My teacher seemed a bit surprised, expecting me to say something along the lines of Twitter or HuffPo. But the truth is that anyone can get the story when it's breaking, it takes a true master of journalism to comment only when more context is apparent.

Another:

I'm a medical student and I've dicked away an ungodly number of hours reading your blog in the library rather than studying. I'm happy that I have though, because it's often served as a small window outside of the tiny bubble that this type of specialized schooling can create.

Another:

I started reading you sometime in 2001, before 9/11, when I was a just out-of-college English major laboring away as a reporter for a weekly newspaper. In the near decade since, I've gone through a tremendous number of changes and moves, have seen my entire worldview flipped over several times, and yet somehow the Daily Dish has been with me constantly, whether I was up late at night reading your blog here on the East Coast of the United States or checking in from Africa as a way of staying in touch with "home."

Another:

I'm a Washingtonian, but have lived in Paris for almost the entire time you have been blogging. The Daily Dish is like a daily letter from home (and it makes me a bit homesick, but in a good way). Good luck with getting your green card. I hope our government understands that America has been a great beneficiary of your work.

Another:

You are America's greatest public intellectual, and you're not even an American. (Well, actually, you are. We're just waiting for the paperwork.)

Another:

I want to thank you, actually, for writing The Conservative Soul more than anything else.  In school I was very much the party-line College Republican kid, as unthinking in my positions as I claimed my liberal friends were.  As I grew up and then joined the Army I started to really consider issues for the first time, foremost among them the effects of my own limited knowledge and experience.  And as this veneer of certainty completely melted and so much of my intellectual life changed, it took reading The Conservative Soul to figure out what exactly had happened to me and why and, most importantly, that there was a tradition and philosophy behind what I had come to believe. 

All of this led me back to the Dish, which I had read years before in sporadic bursts but have now consumed daily for over two years, including a truly interminable deployment.

Another:

So glad to see you've made it ten years!  I've been a reader for some time, but never written.  But I wanted to tell you that I really appreciate in particular your columns about your faith, and your ability to document it for us.  Reading a writer who is able to do this as it happens rather than addressing his audience with didactic statements designed to present his religious thought as being fully formed, in spite of new information or events, is a rarity.  That's really helped me, and I'm sure many others, as we've sorted through the Christianity of our parents and grandparents this past decade, which has many times felt like a similar process. 

Another:

The word that comes to mind for the Dish is "catholic," in the best sense of the word: "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing". If the "c" were capitalized, I'm afraid that would categorize, separate and exclude. Many thanks and best wishes for another 10.

Another:

So many of the subjects that you return to over and over have fascinated and informed The faithful beagle 004 me like no other blog or person.  As a fellow Catholic struggling with the horror the Church has perpetrated, I cannot tell you how much your posts have meant to me. 

And of course, your fondness for beagles speaks to me!  I KNOW, one day, my faithful beagle is going to appear in your blog. 

Another:

Those reader stories you post (on abortion, cannabis, recession situations, etc) are my favorite feature. Incidentally, I have completely switched my position on gay marriage over the last few years (I was raised by evangelical Christian missionaries, so I had some baggage) and I give your blog most of the credit for that.  So thanks also for showing me the light. Rock on.

Another:

I will admit, I will scroll through some of the posts because I just can’t absorb it all. I’m amazed at the pace and, perversely, at my own impatience on the very rare occasions when I hit “refresh” and nothing new pops up. I don’t know how you do it. But I am grateful that you do. The View from Your Window is such an apt metaphor for your blog. So many views, so many windows.

Another:

I'm probably too late to contribute, but I wanted to at least drop a brief line on the Dish's anniversary.  The first I heard of your work was that "he's the guy who pushed the Bell Curve."  My skin immediately crawled, and surprisingly, still does after typing that (I will go no further, as it is unnecessary after the Dish's comprehensive "Race and Intelligence, Again" thread).  So I read your work with a sneer, to be quite honest.  And leading up to the Iraq War 2.0, I found my general dismissiveness toward you to be completely warranted.

Then, a funny thing happened.  I found myself cocooned circa 2004, the loudest voices on the left making me often question how I was on "the blue team" at all.  And there was the Dish, standing out as a voice unafraid to express something less than certainty; a malleable ball, changing not with the wind, but with the weather.  All done by … Andrew Sullivan?

Oh, fuck.  Strange bedfellows, indeed.  So I read.  Then kept reading.  Now the Dish has become ingrained in my daily routine so much that it's nearly a sensory enjoyment, like the smell of coffee each morning.  You mentioned how readers just call you "Andrew," and I find myself doing the same thing, although we've never met.  You've posted a few things I've written to you before (the first was about Buddhism, I think), and responded to an e-mail or two.  That's been the extent of our interaction.  But now that I'm a jaded, divorced, calloused person, you (and by extension, Patrick, Chris, Conor and Zoe) are as long-running a non-familial relationship as I've had.

I don't know what else to say but "thanks."

Another:

One of my happiest moments on the Internet came when I sent you a link to an article I had stumbled upon, and Chris responded with "thanks! will post."  It made me feel like I had contributed in a small way to a truly worthwhile endeavor.  Thanks for all you do.

Another:

What I really like about your blog is the detail, the specificity that displays a real singular consciousness (in interaction with other consciousnesses, Patrick, et al.)  You, a few work colleagues, and my family are the only people with whom I communicate virtually (in both senses) every single day. Keep up the good work, try to cut out the bad, just like we're all doing in our lives, because in the end the Dish is in its way a life, a living thing. It must be nurtured, it lives in community, it has birthed (or at least inspired) other blogs in this great electronic network of minds and ideas.

And a large part of its beauty is that one day, it will die. I think that this ephemeral nature is one of the things that truly makes the blogosphere free, and separates it from all the news media that has come before. The New York Times (theoretically) can go on forever, but the Dish dies when you stop.

— C.B.

The View From My Window 2000 – 2010

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[Re-posted from last night]

Chris, Patrick and Zoe have asked many of my fellow bloggers out there to “toast or roast” the Dish’s tenth anniversary tomorrow. And it is traditional to respond to such a chorus with some brief remarks. Because I am an easily embarrassed type and actually not very comfortable at parties, I thought I’d just write a post with some brief reflections on the last ten years of doing this – before I read what is to come tomorrow.

I’m a Catholic, so let me start with the things I am sorry for and even, in some cases, ashamed of. When you blog in real time, day by day, hour by hour, emotions can get the better of you. The blogosphere is awash in examples of invective, abuse, cruelty, accusations of bad faith, or just bluster – in part because blogging is so much more like speaking than writing and also because it addresses people in the abstract, not face to face. I am not innocent in this, and wish I could take back a few barbs, especially in the early days, when we were all discovering what this medium could do. As a pioneer – and in 2000, there was Mickey and me, basically, in the political blogosphere – I have been, for better or worse, an early adopter of the best and the worst. My only defense is that I have tried to learn from this as I have gone along, to improve on these moments of weakness and rhetorical excess by a more stringent tone, and by constantly and increasingly publishing real dissents, corrections and a much wider diversity of views than just my own, for balance, for fairness. I don’t think a blog would be the same without the occasional unjust jibe or angry outburst – because it would lose its vital, fallible human quality – and doubtless I will pop off again from time to time. But the Dish in 2010 is more mature in many ways than it was in 2000.

One reason for this is my greatest failure by far in these ten years – and that was giving in to my legitimate but far-too-powerful emotions after 9/11 and cheer-leading for a war in Iraq that remains WTC911DougCanter:AFP:Getty one of the most disgraceful, disastrous and murderous episodes in the history of American foreign policy. I was wrong – but more than wrong, I was dismissive of those who turned out to be right. Some of those I mocked I did so for the right reasons. But some I didn’t listen to when I should have. All I can say is that the great virtue of this blog is that it gave me nowhere to hide. And if you read the archives, you can see my mind and soul twisting slowly in the wind of reality, as illusion after illusion fell from my eyes, until the knowledge that the president I had trusted and the noble project I thought I had supported … ended up in secret torture chambers and mass sectarian murders and chaos and the empowerment of the very forces we were trying to defeat. That knowledge changed me as a human being and as a writer. I am not preening in that (how can a writer safe in his blog-cave ever preen in the face of a beheaded victim of anarchy or a child buried in rubble?); but I did in the end face up to it. In the glare of public scrutiny. In many ways, you forced me. You demanded that I hold myself responsible for my errors and, yes, sins. And we did this together, you and I, in a way that no form of media had achieved before. So in the shame and error, there was some kind of achievement. At its best, that is what blogging can do.

I began the decade a conservative and I end it as one. Chastened – as conservatives who dare to dream of a better world always should be – but conservative nonetheless. The rightwing blogosphere – who once championed and celebrated my righteous (and sometimes self-righteous) challenges to the MSM – dismissed me as a turncoat leftist years ago. I remain insistent that they have changed far more than I have; and that they may have mistaken my support for the war after 9/11 for a brand Voc_war_pris_1_pic_abu_ghraib_2 of conservatism I had never truly shared, and had, indeed, spent much of the 1990s excoriating.

I did not discover the cynicism of Bill Kristol or the cant of Robby George or the white-knuckled fear of Joseph Ratzinger in the last decade. I was an Oakeshottian supporter of marriage equality for gays and marijuana legalization in the 1980s. I wrote the case for green conservatism for Margaret Thatcher’s policy unit in 1985. I was never a supply-sider and always a fiscal conservative, who believed in balanced budgets, welfare reform, simple taxation as flat as possible, and the counter-productive hubris of affirmative action and political correctness. I was against hate crimes law then and now. As a gay man, I bear the scars of taking on the left in a time of great pain and fear. I remain deeply skeptical of government’s ability to solve most human problems, but have never denied its necessity or importance in tackling the profound questions of the common good no other institution can replace. I’m a Whiggish Tory, not a pure libertarian.

But the dialogue this blog forced upon me also helped me much better understand my own positions, and abandon some when the power of the counter-argument in these pages overwhelmed me. I have moved to a more pro-choice position than I once had, and the emails from women who had had late-term abortions did not just move my heart, they changed my mind. Watching the national security state achieve more and more power and less and less accountability, observing the sheer horror of counter-insurgencies in places we could never understand or master, seeing how the BENEDICTHANDS2JoeKlamar:AFP:Getty absolute evil of torture could not just enter the heart of American government, but be defended by so many, enabled by the media’s cowardice and entrenched by a refusal to prosecute it or even call it by its proper name … well, these events have indeed radicalized me. I have become an instinctually anti-war conservative, rather than an instinctually pro-war one. I do not understand how anyone who has lived and breathed this last decade could not reach a similar conclusion. Which is why I have also been unstinting in my criticism of a key ally, Israel, and its dogmatic American cheer-leaders, for failing to understand this, and to gamble not only with Israel’s own future with diplomatic brinkmanship, collective punishment of Palestinians, and more pre-emptive war – but our own future as well.

What I have tried to do, however, is balance this radicalization with a clear and prudent reminder that we are still at war with enemies of a brutal and dark and very dangerous kind. This re-balancing has not been easy, and you and I have made this journey together, and I don’t think any of us quite yet know where we will find ourselves in the years ahead. Our debate last week is a reminder of how difficult this is. But my dismay at those conservatives and neoconservatives who have doubled down on their own fantastic failures and refused to reflect one iota on the consequences of their own illusions has indeed turned to contempt. In that sense, I think the populist GOP and its neoconservative foreign policy remains one of the most dangerous forces in the world today, and why this blog will continue to expose, attack and rebut it until a saner, calmer conservatism can emerge from the ashes of this grotesquery.

I remain very proud of a few things: of my early recognition of the anti-conservative nature of the CHANGEEmanuelDunand:AFP:Getty Bush administration in almost every respect – fiscal, constitutional, social – and the fact that I did not hesitate to call it out, even though I was a Bushie at the deeply divisive start and tried, perhaps for far too long, to give him the benefit of the doubt. I remain proud of the part this blog has played in pioneering the equality of gay people in marriage and military service; of being among the first to recognize the potential of Barack Obama and being an integral and early part of his viral rise to the presidency, and to elaborating the core conservative and reformist rationales for his pragmatic presidency. I am also proud to have been among the first to see the deeply dangerous phoniness and authoritarianism behind the Palin cult, and to insist that her constant lies be exposed and that the core symbol of appeal to the base – the disgusting political abuse of a child with Down Syndrome – be subject to the same media skepticism that should be applied to every other aspect of her fraudulent and farcical candidacy for vice-president and now president. I remain proud that I did not flinch in exposing and writing about the hideous crimes of the Vatican hierarchy and my own church in the rape and abuse of countless children, and the refusal again of anyone truly to take  responsibility and be accountable. I am proud of that extraordinary June in 2009 when this little blog became fused night and day with a young revolution in a distant country whose people demanded the freedom this medium gave them, however briefly, however tragically. And I cannot  tell you how proud I am of the young men and women, from Reihan to Jessie and Patrick and Chris Weepiran and Conor and Zoe, who pioneered this with the same spirit with which I founded it.

This all sounds very serious. We have lived in serious times. But I’d be remiss if I did not also say how much fun we have had as well. From ’80s music video contests to our now constant Mental Health Breaks; from mischief and blasphemy and black humor, from Road Runner videos to ghetto mashups, the Dish has always had an anarchic streak, what Bodenner calls “Dishness”. The sardonic awards; the reader threads that became riveting – the “cannabis closet” which will soon be a book; the wonder of that simple idea – The View From Your Window – that then became a weekly puzzle; the dialogue with Sam Harris on faith and reason; the countless faces of the day that can convey things no words ever can; the Poseur Alerts; the randomness of bear culture, beard disasters, straight anal sex, South Park out-takes, Hathos Red Alerts, baby panda sneezes … we’ve created an institution here that remains alive because we really don’t know what the fuck we are going to do next. And yes, I used the word “fuck”. Because I fucking well can, if I want to.

That was the original appeal, of course: the dream every writer has ever had since history began. To be able to write directly to other human beings, with no editor or publisher, no censor or commercial pressure, to open the mind to other open minds, to speak with as little fear as possible and to see what happens. I saw that potential in this new miraculous medium the first instant this blog was born; I see it now more clearly than ever. But I never dreamed all those years ago that in a Weddingaisle decade, there would be a million of you each month, from all over the world, from every perspective, telling the truth as you saw it and see it, and informing me and thereby each other of facts and ideas and news and passions none of us would ever have found on our own.

It has taken its toll – the sheer exhaustion of doing this every day for ten years is impossible to convey. But I started this blog with undetectable viral load and I end it with undetectable viral load – and the tantalizing final prospect of a green card that might actually give me the kind of security – a stable home – that has long been my dream for a quarter of a century. I have more hair on my chin and less on my head, and more friends out there – actual real friends – than any human being deserves. It really has felt like a friendship and I know when I meet a stranger who just calls me “Andrew” – not Mr Sullivan, or, God forbid Dr Sullivan – but “Andrew”, that he or she is a Dish reader. And in some strange way, we are on first name terms. Because we’ve been through a lot you and me; and I don’t know how else to express that but friendship.

I also started this blog after years of what often seemed like quixotic marriage activism and end it legally married to a man who has had to share his husband with this blog and all of you, and has done so with such grace and poise and humor and love and support that I cannot properly thank him. Oh, and the dogs, of course. But they’re asleep right now and don’t give a shit anyway.

It’s still knackering though, as we English like to say, beyond knackering, to do this every day – because I find I cannot phone it in and live with myself and cannot walk away and live with myself either. So better to say, perhaps, that, in the end, it is possible to sustain this day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute, for ten years, because of the sheer exhilaration that this kind of freedom provides, and its potential for good as well as evil, and the knowledge that as long as we live and breathe in the West as we know it, this freedom is ours for the taking.

So I took it.

Email Of The Day

A reader writes:

Am I the only one who finds this story of the Dish's birth a bit unbelievable?  Did anyone see Andrew pregnant with the Dish prior to this supposed decade?  Are we to believe that on a moment's notice, he flew from Provincetown to create this blog in D.C. rather than use the perfectly good Pentium II machine in Massachusetts?  He's already admitted the dog was not even a beagle.  What else did he lie about?

A Decade Of The Dish: Your Roasts

We bleg and you deliver. A reader writes:

Andrew Sullivan is a man of ferocious concentration; indeed, whether Sully is raging against church abuse cover ups, torture, or Israeli policy, the only thing that can possibly sidetrack him is South Park.  Or the latest YouTube sensation.  Or anything about beards.  Or windows.  Then probably beards again.  Regardless, when Andrew Sullivan’s attention is fixed and his wrath unleashed, he becomes a sort of “Mama Grizzly,” if you will, hunting his target without relent.

Speaking of Mama Grizzlies, many have questioned his obsession with all things Sarah Palin.  But is it really so odd that our beloved blogger would be so drawn to someone oft-characterized as a bear?  No doubt some smart ass will point out that this joke falters because Sarah Palin is a woman.  Well, I heard, from a very reliable source, that Andrew may have a theory about that issue as well.  But I don’t want to start any rumors.

Another writes:

He looks like a muppet procreated with an egg.

Another:

If you’re going to properly roast him, then you’ll have to go find the video of his double-handed ass-scratch during the closing credits of Real Time several years back.

Another:

OK here I go …

As much as I love Andrew on a blog, I have to say he really sucks on TV.  First of all, his accent is off. It is somewhere in between England and the US and not a good place. It makes him sound like an obsessed fan of William F Buckley who can’t quite get the east coast snobby sound right no matter how much he practices in front of the mirror.

And the beard. OMG.  Talking about the beard on the blog is one thing, but then we all actually saw it that night on Colbert… As Wallace said to Grommit “It’s gone wrong”.  Let.the.beard.go.gray.

And finally the coke spilling episode on Bill Maher. That was just weird. I have not seen anyone do that before or since. All Dish readers were embarrassed that night. It’s not so much the spilling as how totally uncomfortable Andrew was the rest of the show. Clearly a decade of blogging skills do not transfer to TV.

Another:

Although I read Sullivan, and link to him, and appreciate his doggedness about torture and other civil liberties, I feel he’s never made a full, straightforward apology for his “fifth column” remarks, both this one:

The middle part of the country—the great red zone that voted for Bush—is clearly ready for war. The decadent Left in its enclaves on the coasts is not dead—and may well mount what amounts to a fifth column.

And where he seems to think he offered some kind of retraction:

I have no reason to believe that even those sharp critics of this war would actually aid and abet the enemy in any more tangible ways than they have done already. And that dissent is part of what we’re fighting for. By fifth column, I meant simply their ambivalence about the outcome of a war on which I believe the future of liberty hangs.

I’ve seen him be full-throated (as he was in yesterday’s essay) about his apology for cheerleading the war. And I’ve seen him vaguely nudge around the edges of pre-judging, like he did in yesterday’s essay as well:

I was wrong – but more than wrong, I was dismissive of those who turned out to be right. Some of those I mocked I did so for the right reasons.

Sorry, not good enough. Not explicit enough. And he still seems to harbor (“I did so for the right reasons”) disdain for those of us in our enclaves on the coasts who love our country deeply, who cherish the right to call on our government to answer to us when the gravest of steps is taken, who passionately participate in our democracy and our electoral process. We were not ambivalent about the outcome of a war. We were opposed to our steamrolled, clearly obfuscated entry into it. Still, he hides behind the “some of those I mocked I did so for the right reasons.”

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. There was no “right reason” to mock those who turned out to 3136895be right, even if he considered them to be silly people and dirty fucking hippies.

Until he fully and explicitly retracts those specific remarks, I don’t think he will have earned the respect he could more easily have claimed as a moral man, flawed and willing to fully admit mistakes when wrong. He has been diminished by those words, and only a wholehearted and specific retraction of them could restore, in my eyes at least, his reputation.

Another:

Andrew Sullivan has, on occasion, apologized at passionate length for his failings. To me, however, Sully has never inflicted worse harm upon his readers than on twice sharing photographs of Vice President/War Criminal Dick Cheney’s own passionate length, here and here. The pic is thankfully hard to find these days, but here it is. God help us; there may be more.

Sully, have you no shame, sir? At long last, have you no shame?

Another:

Well, except from being obstinately religious and politically naive I think one can only hold an overarching emotionalism against Andrew. On the plus side there is an unusual attempt at honesty and an also rare ability (in conservatives) to get enthused about a particular Democratic leader.

Ah but the emotions: one can set the watch for the angry fanfare every time Obama has dealt with LGBT rights in (his usual) cautious demeanor. Same for the torture policy (the non-persecution of the torturers of the previous administration). In both cases I agree with Andrews positions, but in both cases I think his emotions regularly get the better of him, and it does not illuminate the issue.

Another:

What pissed me off most during my years of reading The Dish was the time in the pre-corporate days when Andrew put out a call for donations to support The Dish. I sent off some money and the very next day Andrew announced he was closing up shop and going to P’Town for the month. Well, thank you.

Another:

There’s an old axiom I just made up that states: The internet is 80% porn; the rest is just a waste of time. Within the waste of time spectrum, a full fifth, or 4% of the entire vastness of cyberspace, is occupied by the voluminous and inane ramblings of the time-wastiest blog of all: Andrew Sullivan’s “Daily Dish.”

At first glance Andrew appears to be a man whose head was attached upside down; upon closer inspection it turns out this is merely an unfortunate hair configuration, part personal choice and part no choice whatsoever. A quick perusal of his work, however, reveals that while his head may be right side up, it is clearly also screwed on backwards.

I’m being unfair, of course. Andrew’s blog has been a fountain of personal growth for me. For example, I used to not like the Pet Shop Boys. Now I fucking hate them.

Another:

No one is celebrating the wonderfully degenerate junk-food quality that’s right there in the name of the thing: the Daily Dish. Isn’t it obvious that this blog is one of the Internet’s great soap operas? Of no party or clique, and on good days, all the hissy that’s fit to throw. The Paul Revere bareback rides to warn us all that Sarah Palin and her vagina is coming! The pot bust! The long-suffering husband’s cameos! The Beaches-style beach snapshots! The clarion calls for the arrest of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Yoo, etc. etc.!

And like every other soap opera, no real closure. Ever.

This is a man for whom great art is embodied by the Pet Shop Boys, South Park, and some of the most dreary Sunday-devotional verse and essays ever reduced to fair-use excerpts that don’t violate copyright law. And don’t get me started on the superannuated “awards” and the annoying habit of proclaiming disinterested social isolation while citing Hitch and all those first-name basis bloggers I’ve never heard of because I have a life.

Okay, enough. Time to hit refresh.

Why I love the Daily Dish: I get to publish embarrassing material about my boss and get paid for it.

— C.B.

Toast Or Roast: Hendrik Hertzberg

Hertzberg toasts and roasts:

I first met Andrew roughly twenty-five years ago, in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He was a strikingly beautiful young man. He had to fend off the women with a cricket bat. At one point he came to me for girlfriend advice—fancy that! A few years later, when I was serving my second term as “editor” of the New Republic, I came to work one day and was told that Andrew was the magazine’s new “deputy editor.” It was the first I’d heard of it. How about them apples? Pretty soon I was out and he was in. The year we overlapped, TNR won a National Magazine Award for “General Excellence.” Believe it or not, this is considered a big deal in certain quarters, sort of like an Oscar. Whenever Andrew has occasion to aver to that award, he always mentions the person he shared it with, i.e., me. I can’t say that I’ve always done the same for him. Score one for Andrew.

On the other hand, when Andrew had the TNR job he ran an absolutely awful, full-of-lies piece of shit on the Clinton health-care plan by one Elizabeth McCaughey. I consider that to have been the biggest editorial outrage in the magazine’s history, with the possible exception of its backing for American entry into the First World War. And he did a lot of other damnfool things, too. Let’s not even talk about the Bell Curve.

So how come I like Andrew so much? Or at all?

Well, first of all, I just do. Matter of taste. So sue me.

But, mainly, I really, really like the Daily Dish.

I look in on it several times a day, more than I click on anything else on the Web. It’s almost a sickness. No doubt this has a lot to do with the fact that ever since Andrew began to realize that the Iraq war wasn’t such a great idea after all, his views have borne, over time, an increasingly strong resemblance to my own. Not on everything, of course. He still doesn’t like unions. He still thinks “small government,” flat taxes, Ronald Reagan, and cuts in “entitlement programs,” i.e., social insurance, are fine and dandy. He’s still a conservative, in much the same way that he’s still a Catholic.

But he has been a genuine and genuinely fiery moral leader, if that doesn’t sound too pompous—on torture, on Iran, and on Palin, to name three topics of more than trivial interest. He has courage. He has integrity. He lives up to that slogan of his—“Of No Party or Clique.” His prophetic advocacy of marriage equality is a case in point. Almost nobody, gay or straight, was with him on that in the beginning. Was there anyone he wasn’t ahead of? He’s the anti-Dewey: he’s the big man on the wedding cake. Him and Aaron.

Beyond that, I have a profound professional admiration for the Dish as an editorial enterprise. It’s a kind of internet gyroscope. I find that it orients me in cyberspace. It fends off motion sickness. It gives pleasure. I almost always feel a little better after paying it a visit, even when the news of the day is unusually depressing. There ought to be a name for what the Dish is—“blog” doesn’t capture it, somehow.

When I was a kid, I’d sometimes hear grownups talking reverently about “William Allen White, editor of the Emporia Gazette.” Except in the vaguest Wikipedia kind of way, I still don’t know who the hell William Allen White was or what sort of publication the Emporia Gazette was. But in some weird corner of my imagination, Andrew and the Dish have the same sort of glow.

Read Rick at The New Yorker.