Let The Little Ones Argue

Friedersdorf interviews Mark Oppenheimer about religion reporting and his new book on debating. On the latter:

When I made it to junior high school, I discovered the debate team, and that really turned me around. Having a healthy, constructive way to channel my verbosity (and my budding adolescent anger) made a big difference in my life. It made me happier, for one thing. And the rest of the book takes off from there, as I immersed myself in the weird, wacky subculture of competitive debate and oratory….I really think we need competitive debate to start before high school. I was lucky to be at a junior high school with a debate program. But why is it that we have activities for 9-year-olds who love music, or math, or nature, but not 9-year-olds who love talking? And now that I am a dad of a talkative daughter, I can foresee wanting to send her someplace where she can argue with somebody other than me and her mom, you know? 

And the former:

The most common flaws in religion reporting are the same as common flaws in all reporting: lack of skepticism, taking the speakers' words for it. We always have to be skeptical, even of monks and priests and imams and rabbis. And we have to remember that power corrupts, so the people we are likely to revere may be the most likely to fail us.

Von Hoffman Award Nominee, Ctd

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A reader writes:

Thank you for referencing the my favorite movie trilogy.  But Zemeckis was not necessarily "way off."  The reason that Marty McFly looks like shit at 47 is because he got in that car accident when he was a teenager, which ruined his career as a guitarist, crushed his hopes and dreams, and led him down a depressing life in Hill Valley that caused both his physical appearance and soul to deteriorate rapidly.  Michael J. Fox, on the other hand, became a television and film star at an early age and remained one through his forties.  This led to him living a dream life with his smokin' hot wife, millions of dollars, and a job that he loves.  The Parkinson's thing was a bit of a road block, but his early success gave him a beautiful outlook on life and allowed him to attempt to turn the Parkinson's into a positive.  Hence he's looking pretty good at 49. 

But yeah, Zemeckis was way off with the flying cars, power laces, and hoverboards.

French artist Nils Guadagnin is working on the latter.

North Korea’s World Cup

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Evan Osnos notes:

North Korea succumbed 7-0 [in its match against Portugal], and the result does not appear to have been reported in the North Korean press. No sign of it in North Korea’s main newspaper—accessible by a Japan-based portal—and, so far, the official North Korean news agency has not yet gotten to the story. Instead, lead pieces for the day include “Revenge-vowing Meetings Held,” “Russian Dance Company Performs” and “US, Provoker of Korean War.”

The invisible cell phones must have malfunctioned.

The Daily Wrap

Today on the Dish, the president removed General McChrystal but not COIN. Reax here. Andrew's take here. Pre-announcement analysis here, here, here, here, and here. Beinart examined the MacArthur analogy. The Rolling Stone reporter responsible for it all shared the secret of his craft.

In other news, Australia selected its first female PM, the Bartonites dug in, and we provided polling on Obama here, here, and here. Team America kicked ass at the last minute to keep the dream alive. Other Cup coverage here and here.

In assorted commentary, three bloggers from the Dish stable debated the power of the presidency, DiA doubted that citizens change their minds based on reason, Bernstein didn't relent over criticizing tea-partiers, and Balko kept up his campaign against canine-killing cops. Vaughan Bell relayed some fascinating trends among the divorced, Bundled showed how much we spend on gas, Jonah Lehrer explained why computers suck at Jeopardy!, Drum joined the discussion on kid flicks, and Andrew overshared over animal masturbation. A reader watched a goat get off, others extended the public execution thread, and another sent in a stirring video of dancing with cancer.

Derbyshire served up some more racism while Steyn contributed some cant. MSM bashing here and here, great acts of journalism here, and dissent of the day here. Recession views here. Colbert bait here and badass Palin bait here. More ex-gay hilarity here. MHB here, VFYW here, and FOTD here.

— C.B.

The Animal That Masturbates, Ctd

A reader writes:

Speaking of masturbating animals (yes, I've been waiting for this), did you know that male billy goats orally pleasure themselves to the point of climax?

I discovered this one summer while working as a Farm and Wilderness camp counselor in central Vermont. It was in the middle of morning barn chores that I noticed half of my nine year-old campers were lined up along the goat's fence, staring quietly ahead. "I thought that was a boy?" one of them asked me, without looking away from the goat who was joyously going to town on himself–he thought it was a female goat milking its own tit! And if that sounds sort of gross already, let me only add that goats (a) have long beards and (b) don't swallow.

Oh now I'm all nostalgic for camp!

Face Of The Day II

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Australia has a new prime minister – Julia Gillard, seen above in a recent photo by Raveendren/Getty. The Reuters story of the internal Labour party coup here. Bonus: she's Welsh by birth! It's the culmination of quite a record of female advancement down under:

South Australian Liberal Kay Brownbill became the first woman elected to the House of Representatives without being preceded by her husband when she won the seat of Kingston in 1966, while Joan Child became the first Labor woman member in the House when she won the Victorian electorate of Henty in 1974. South Australian senator Janine Haines became the first female leader of a major Australian party when she was elected to head the Australian Democrats on Don Chipp's retirement in 1986. Australia has had female premiers and chief ministers in Victoria, Western Australia, Queensland, NSW, the ACT and Northern Territory.

Obama: Hostage To Petraeus

Those of us who hoped for some kind of winding down of the longest war in US history will almost certainly be disappointed now. David Petraeus is the real Pope of counter-insurgency and if he decides that he needs more troops and more time and more resources in Afghanistan next year, who is going to be able to gainsay him? That's Thomas P. Barnett's shrewd assessment. Obama's pledge to start withdrawing troops in 2011 is now kaput. It won't happen. I doubt it will happen in a second term either. Once Washington has decided to occupy a country, it will occupy it for ever. We are still, remember, in Germany! But Afghanistan?

Obama's gamble on somehow turning the vast expanse of that ungovernable "nation" into a stable polity dedicated to fighting Jihadist terror is now as big as Bush's in Iraq – and as quixotic. It is also, in my view, as PETRAEUSMarkWilson:Getty irrational, a deployment of resources and young lives that America cannot afford and that cannot succeed. It really is Vietnam – along with the crazier and crazier rationales for continuing it. But it is now re-starting in earnest ten years in, dwarfing Vietnam in scope and longevity.

One suspects there is simply no stopping this war machine, just as there is no stopping the entitlement and spending machine. Perhaps McChrystal would have tried to wind things up by next year – but his frustration was clearly fueled by the growing recognition that he could not do so unless he surrendered much of the country to the Taliban again. So now we have the real kool-aid drinker, Petraeus, who will refuse to concede the impossibility of success in Afghanistan just as he still retains the absurd notion that the surge in Iraq somehow worked in reconciling the sectarian divides that still prevent Iraq from having a working government. I find this doubling down in Afghanistan as Iraq itself threatens to spiral out of control the kind of reasoning that only Washington can approve of.

This much we also know: Obama will run for re-election with far more troops in Afghanistan than Bush ever had – and a war and occupation stretching for ever into the future, with no realistic chance of success. Make no mistake: this is an imperialism of self-defense, a commitment to civilize even the least tractable culture on earth because Americans are too afraid of the consequences of withdrawal. And its deepest irony is that continuing this struggle will actually increase and multiply the terror threats we face – as it becomes once again a recruitment tool for Jihadists the world over.

This is a war based on fear, premised on a contradiction, and doomed to carry on against reason and resources for the rest of our lives.

Maybe this is why you supported Obama – to see the folly of nation-building extended indefinitely to the least promising wastelands on earth, as the US heads toward late-imperial bankruptcy. It is not a betrayal as such. But it is, in my view, a huge and metastasizing mistake.

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“Do Intelligent Arguments Make A Difference?”

DiA entertains a depressing thought:

I'm trying, and failing, to think of an instance where voters on any side have been persuaded by a reasoned opposition on any issue. It might happen with individual voters on particular issues, largely of the technical variety—if someone sits down to figure out whether they support a bond issue, maybe—but I can't think of a single issue where an argument, however elegantly expressed, has tipped the balance. These, I think, are the methods by which public opinion may be moved:

  • A momentous event (9/11, the oil spill, a botched execution)
  • The gravitational pull of mounting social change (gay marriage)
  • A timely and effective message, repeated ad nauseam ("It's the economy, stupid;" "change")