The Dish

"This is one of the most important cases which the House has had to decide in recent years. It calls into question the very existence of an ancient liberty of which this country has until now been very proud: freedom from arbitrary arrest and detention. The power which the Home Secretary seeks to uphold is a power to detain people indefinitely without charge or trial. Nothing could be more antithetical to the instincts and traditions of the people of the United Kingdom… The real threat to the life of the nation, in the sense of a people living in accordance with its traditional laws and political values, comes not from terrorism but from laws such as these. That is the true measure of what terrorism may achieve. It is for Parliament to decide whether to give the terrorists such a victory," – Lord Hoffmann, opposing the British government’s attempt to detain anyone indefinitely without charges or trial on suspicion of being in some way a party to terrorism.

A reader writes:

I went to the Family Research Council/Focus on the Family/American Family Association "Values Voters" summit this weekend at the Omni.

It is much, much worse than we know.

The first woman I spoke to (from Erie, PA) railed on about how Chuck Hagel is a flaming liberal and John McCain should be tried for treason. I thought that maybe I’d run into an isolated crazy. Oh no – it only got worse from there. The level of contempt for anyone who diverges from the Holy Word of W is beyond description. I was sort of ‘undercover’ so I could just let people talk to me, not leading the conversation, not baiting, and it horrified me to hear how many were perfectly comfortable with any form of torture in the name of patriotism if the Commander In Chief gave it the ok.

Meanwhile, in the plenary I got to hear from George Allen on how he’s been done wrong by the media and watched a ballroom of about 1,700 people seem to feel permission to let their hate for The Gays run wild every time a black minister hit the stage. (I have my own copy of the very popular brochure, "The Rape of the Civil Rights Movement: How Sodomites Are Using Civil Rights Rhetoric To Advance Their Preference For Sexual Perversion.")

There is no room for disagreement, because it is tantamount to evil. Dissent is the same as blasphemy, and everything is approached in orthodox terms. I’ve always been a conservative because I believe that there is such a think as good and evil and that moral relativism is a crazy road on which logic can rarely stick. I believe in limited government and individual liberty. I know I can do things better than any bureaucracy ever will. But what conservatism has become with these people is horrifying. They’d trade liberty for a handshake from W., compassion for power. And they’ve got one amazing plan in place to make sure that future generations have a tighter, more limited, and clearly more hostile worldview. I went there hoping to prove myself wrong about what I thought was happening, but I just couldn’t do it.

Another journalist friend visited as well. He emailed me about it. ‘So you’re saying it’s as bad as I feared," I asked. "Much, much worse."

I’ll be on AC360 tonight, discussing the torture and detention-without-charge bill.

Talking and thinking this over, I’m trying to look on the bright side. The bill allows this president to continue torturing detainees (and possibly innocent ones). But it doesn’t actually authorize the torture methods. And it doesn’t formally breach Geneva. So "the program" continues in the shadows of Bush’s shadow government. The truly disturbing part is that the only criterion for detaining anyone without charges – citizen or non-citizen, at home or anywhere in the world – is the president’s discretion. If Rumsfeld decides you’re an enemy combatant, you can be whisked away into a black hole, tortured, or have to prove your innocence in a military commission while he insists on your guilt. The "battlefield" is everywhere; and the war is endless.  This is not, to put it mildly, what the founding fathers had in mind. It is one of the darkest hours for Western liberty in a very long time. And most conservatives are cheering. Watching habeas corpus go down the plughole is not something I ever thought I would have to contemplate. Well done, Osama. You won this one big time.

Greg Gutfeld reports on the real England.

A reader writes:

As a Presbyterian pastor, I continue to be stunned by the unthinking support of many evangelicals for a policy that permits torture. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry when the so-called "Traditional Values Coalition" decided that torture was among the traditional values that they feel compelled to support.

When Jesus was put on trial and handed over to Pontius Pilate, he rejected violence and said, "My kingdom is not of this world." He was then tortured and brutally murdered (three hours in a "stress position" on the cross, as one of your readers aptly noted). "Caesar", of course, went on to torture and brutally murder innocent Christians who were "threats to the state." Now, 2,000 years later, in their wordly lust for power, Christians are hopping into bed with Caesar and signing off on anything Caesar wants, especially if Caesar takes care of the Christian "base".

In my Presbyterian tradition, we are called to stand outside the halls of power and speak truth to those in power, no matter what party is in control. We are not called to become that power ourselves; Jesus’ kingdom is not of this world; his values are not Caesar’s values.

Last year on Good Friday, my church had our traditional worship service at which we read the story of Jesus’ torture and execution. To make the story more than just a past event, we read three contemporary accounts of innocent individuals who had been tortured. If we were going to shed tears for our innocent Lord Jesus, we also needed to shed tears for other innocent victims of torture. One story we read was about Christians in China – "threats to the state" – including a mother who was brutally interrogated while hearing the cries of her son being tortured in the next room. Interestingly enough, the Christian Right would join me in expressing outrage against innocent Christians.

Another story was of a man who described these conditions:

"I saw a cell almost the size of a grave. 3 feet wide, 6 feet deep, and 7 feet high. The cell had no light in it; it only had two thin mattresses (two thin blankets) on the ground … I was kept in that dark and filthy cell for about 10 months. The worst beating happened on the third day … they were asking the same set of questions and they would beat me 3-4 times. They would sometimes take me to another room where I could hear other people being tortured … at the end of the day I could not take the pain anymore and I falsely confessed of having been to Afghanistan."

We read that story last Good Friday. The man’s name? Maher Arar, a Canadian citizen, who was arrested at JFK airport in New York. He was then deported by the American government via Jordan to Syria, where he was detained in the cell described above. Just last week Arar and his claims of innocence were completely vindicated by the Canadian government. The Traditional Values Coalition would probably respond: an unfortunate mistake, but torture is still a necessary policy.

And What Would Jesus Do?

Jesus wept.

The Berlin Opera surrenders to Muslim sensitivities.

It really does look as if Rick Santorum is going to lose.

A reader writes:

Some further evidence to suggest that Frank Rich is exaggerating the extent of looting damage at the National Museum in Baghdad is to be had if you can get hold of a copy of a BBC Radio 4 documentary aired on 6th September this year, by Dr Neil Brodie, of Cambridge University. Alas, the documentary is no longer downloadable on their website. But it took the listener carefully through the events, and concluded that only a relatively small number of major pieces had been destroyed or lost. By far the majority – more than ten thousand, I believe – were coins.

These, the programme demonstrated persuasively, were stored in a place which no-one but a senior museum insider could have known about, let alone found in the dark in the middle of an invasion. It convinced me, at any rate, first that very few actual works of art were taken or destroyed, and that the great bulk of the objects of value that are missing were taken by someone who had access anyway – in other words that the failure of coalition forces to secure the area was largely irrelevant to the worst of the looting.

This confirms the Atlantic article. If soeone finds the transcript, I’ll post it. Rich owes me an apology on two counts: misrrepesenting my initial response to the horrifying looting ("damn-near indefensible"), and then misrepresenting the facts about it. But he writes opinion at the NYT. So fat chance we’ll get a correction.

A new euphemism for tying someone to a board, and dunking their head in water repreatedly so that they feel like drowning; and for keeping someone shackled in a room cooled to 50 degrees, pouring cold water over him repeatedly until he gets hypothermia, keeping him awake for 48 out of 55 days, or several of the methods used by the Soviets in the Gulag. And all these techniques used against people who haven’t even been charged, let alone convicted, of any crime – just like the Soviet Union, whose buildings we coopted in Eastern Europe for our own torture. Here it is from the Wall Street Journal:

"being able to make life uncomfortable."

For the editors at the Wall Street Journal, of course, that means a delay in their car service. If it’s merely uncomfortable, why don’t they volunteer for it themselves. Taranto, what’s stopping you?

A series of impassioned pleas on Capitol Hill – from the military, Catholic bishops, intelligence experts and others – not to pass a bill allowing the president the right to seize anyone in this country, detain him or her without charges indefinitely and torture them in secret. Please do not look away. Fight back – for your freedom.