Rudy Or Hillary?

A reader writes:

You seem very very angry about both Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani-as well you should be.  But the truth of the matter is that the two of them are going to survive the primaries and run against each other for President. What then? Which one will you pick? Will you go for the lesser of two evils or will you abstain? This isn’t a theoretical question. It’s going to happen, and your venom at the two is heightening daily.

The reality is: it may not happen. And I’ll do whatever I can to describe what I think are the drawbacks of Clinton’s and Giuliani’s candidacies while we still have a chance to stop them. As to what I’ll do if they become the nominees, and we all have the grim task of deciding between two evils, let’s just say I’ll jump off that bridge when I get to it.

Hillary’s Antecedents

A second Eleanor Roosevelt? Or another Lurleen Wallace? Or even … Ma Ferguson? Ahem:

Miriam Amanda Wallace "Ma" Ferguson (June 13, 1875 – June 25, 1961) became the first female governor of Texas in 1925. She was born in Bell County, Texas. Her husband, James Edward Ferguson, the governor from 1915 to 1917, was impeached, convicted, and removed from office during his second term. Under terms of the conviction, he was not allowed to hold state office again.

After her husband’s impeachment and conviction, she ran as a Democrat for the office herself. During the campaign she said she would follow the advice of her husband and that Texas would get "two governors for the price of one." Against what would have seemed insurmountable odds, another Ferguson was elected not only as governor, but the first woman governor of Texas.

Wives following their husbands into office – and using their marital connections to get ahead – is not a new phenomenon in America. Hillary is a modern, spruced-up version, and less a creature of her husband than a partner. They are part of the same two-headed machine. And it has already had eight years in the White House.

Hillary As Galadriel?

A reader writes:

Some co-workers of mine were having a conversation about Hillary, and what might happen if she were to be elected president. Would she renounce all the executive powers the Bushies have amassed for themselves, or would she be consumed by the same powers and use them herself? It brought to mind Galadriel from the Lord of the Rings.

"In place of the Dark Lord, you would have a Queen, not dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Dawn. Treacherous as the Sea! Stronger than the foundations of the earth…all shall love me and despair!"

Well, I can manage the despair.

Hillary On Torture

A pushback. The folllowing was not included in the WaPo story:

I was very touched by the story you guys had on the front page the other day about the WWII interrogators. I mean it’s not the same situation but it was a very clear rejection of what we think we know about what is going on right now but I want to know everything, and so I think we have to draw a bright line and say ‘No torture – abide by the Geneva conventions, abide by the laws we have passed,’ and then try to make sure we implement that.

I don’t think, alas, that this is a clear refutation of what she was originally quoted as saying. She wants the rhetorical high-ground of "no torture" – but so does Bush, remember. And check out the "buts": "But I want to know everything." She wants to "abide by the laws we have passed," which may include, of course, the Military Commissions Act which gives the president lee-way to define torture as s/he sees fit. I don’t know what she will really do. I do know that it goes against everything we know about Clinton that she would revoke any of the powers – including the power to order torture – that Cheney has given the executive branch. And I don’t trust her.
 

Remembering Hillary

Some do; and some, like Democratic loyalists, Lawrence O’Donnell, have sudden amnesia. Has she really become a different person than the paranoid, polarizing co-president of the 1990s? Or has she merely learned how to disguise it better? I know what I think. Of course, from my point of view, she can’t really win. If she seems better, I assume it’s artifice. If she seems the same, I assume the worst. I know that. But I need to be honest.

Five words: Nixon In A Pant Suit. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

The Hillary Debate

You know where I stand. Many of you think I’m bonkers. I may be. But so are a lot of others. Kevin tries a factual rebuttal:

Many Republicans have said that they are eager to run a general-election campaign against Hillary Clinton, describing her as a highly polarizing candidate who would unite and energize the opposition. But, as of now, Clinton appears to be no more polarizing than other leading Democratic contenders. Nor is there a potential Republican nominee who appears significantly less polarizing. Forty-one percent of those surveyed said they definitely would not vote for Clinton in the general election if she were the Democratic nominee, one of the lowest "reject rates" among the leading candidates in either of the two major parties.

Why do I doubt this? Two things: that poll was strange; and I remember what it was like to have her wield national power (having never been elected to anything) for eight years. I think people’s memories have faded or understandably been colored rose by the Bush nightmare. In which case, next year will be a refresher course. A reader explains for me:

Those who say the right will cook up a narrative about Obama just as poisonous and effective as the right’s Hillary narrative are wrong. Poisonous, yes; effective, no.

I just had dinner with my father, and for several years I’ve avoided talking politics with him; he’s a highly intelligent man but he became a neocon 30 years ago and then to my horror a regular Limbaugh listener.

He belittles every candidate I’ve liked by spitting out the Limbaugh-dictated putdown or some close variant thereof. Anyways, we were forced to talk politics because a friend noticed us and came up to our table and mentioned I am an Obama supporter. I was expecting some anti-Obama venom from my father, of the kind your emailer said would be inevitable, but it did not happen. Predictably, my father’s going to vote for Giuliani. But he agreed with that Peggy Noonan column from a few days ago saying that Obama is genuine and thoughtful, and he thinks he’s the only Democrat who can avoid being effectively savaged by Limbaugh and the talk radio world because he thinks their insults don’t stick to Obama the way they stick to Hillary.

Unscientific, I admit. But when you realize what a hold Limbaugh has over his dittoheads, it’s worth noting that they agree with every word he says about Hillary but they can’t help liking Obama. The reason, I think, is simple. There is an element of truth in the talk radio right’s portrayal of Hillary as a smug, self-righteous, phoney. Liberals and Hillary admirers hate to hear that, but it’s true–an element of truth obscured by a whole mountain of b.s. There is not, however, even a grain of truth in the Hannity/Limbaugh Obama slurs to date. The Obama/Madrassah slur won’t stick because it is not only not true; it’s not even "truthy." Obama is obviously a humanist in the best sense of that word and thus the polar opposite of a Madrassa fanatic. Nor will the Obama-champion-of-Afrocentric-black-power because-he-attends-a-church-whose-minister-has-those-leanings slur stick. To the contrary, it seems extremely likely to me that if Obama steals the nomination from Hillary, a huge cross-section of the country will fall in love with him as a person, either right then and there or after his acceptance speech. That cross section will include conservatives who won’t vote for him but will still like him as a human being. Even those who think this scenario is not highly probable would acknowledge it is more than possible. And if they are being honest with themselves, they have to admit that It is simply not possible for Hillary to generate that kind of reaction. She may well win, but even if she does, most of the 49 or 48% who vote for her opponent will walk into the voting booth detesting her and will promptly come to detest her even more after her triumphal inaugural speech and ceremonies. If Obama can pull off a victory, there will be an entirely different vibe.

Hillary No Matter What, Ctd

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A reader writes:

Do you really think that any other non-Hillary candidate will somehow be free of attack from the Limbaughs, JPods, and Hannitys of the world? They already call Obama "Osama" and have suggested that he was educated in a madrassah. Any Democrat that is elected will be subject to polarizing fire from the right, especially if the right loses badly in 2008. It doesn’t matter if it is Hillary or anyone else, it will be 1998 all over again. Except this time, with a "stab in the back" betrayal of all that is good and right and favored by Jesus to spice it all up.

In that context, casting a vote to poke these guys in the eye with a stick seems as good a reason as any to vote for HRC. It certainly isn’t a reason NOT to vote for her.

I don’t know how to get the toxic genie back in the bottle. I hope, but doubt, that Obama has the unifying "it." But for the moment and for the foreseeable future, the genie is out. For this I blame the Republican Party, and only the Republican Party.

I think the only way that the polarizing toxicity gets drained away from national politics is if the source of that toxicity – the culture warrior wing of the GOP – is decimated, and a new GOP can grow free of its power.

Another adds:

Now as far as Hillary goes: She’ll be equally corrupt and wrongheaded as the former Cheerleader and his band of merry neocons, just as devious, and she will be just competent enough to keep the ship of state on an even keel. Then in 2017, she can hand off the controls to the next half-bright disaster in waiting.

See it really isn’t all that bad, is it?

And it’s Jeb, after that, I presume.

(Photo: Mannie Garcia/Getty.)

Hillary No Matter What, Ctd.

A reader writes:

That email was horrifying. This from the party that purports to be progressive? The only functional difference between the reader’s "argument" and the argument for, say, creationism is that at least the creationist acknowledges a force outside the bounds of reason; the reader, on the other hand, actually says, "My reason tells me this doesn’t make any sense, but I’m deliberately sublimating it and letting my raw emotions take over." I think that once you start down that path, it becomes habit-forming, and that’s the reason the great religions tell us not to act in anger: it has a lot more to do with how the anger affects us than how it affects the people we get angry with.