On good followership

by Andrew Sprung

Last week, Andrew linked to Glenn Greenwald's lacerating response to Obama loyalists who sounded off on the Dish against left-wing attacks on Obama (Patrick's response here; a reader's here):

Those who venerated Bush because he was a morally upright and strong evangelical-warrior-family man and revere Palin as a common-sense Christian hockey mom are similar in kind to those whose reaction to Obama is dominated by their view of him as an inspiring, kind, sophisticated, soothing and mature intellectual.  These are personality types bolstered with sophisticated marketing techniques, not policies, governing approaches or ideologies.  But for those looking for some emotional attachment to a leader, rather than policies they believe are right, personality attachments are far more important.  They're also far more potent.  Loyalty grounded in admiration for character will inspire support regardless of policy, and will produce and sustain the fantasy that this is not a mere politician, but a person of deep importance to one's life who — like a loved one or close friend or religious leader — must be protected and defended at all costs.

Greenwald is right, of course. Personality is seductive, and team sports are seductive, and politics for most people is a team sport. Obama is a highly seductive personality, and the seduction lies in large part in his showcasing of his own deliberative processes, and willingness to consider all sides, and base decisions on data, and present his policies as a synthesis that partly incorporates opposing points of view. That is part skillful marketing, as Greenwald suggests, but "marketing" embedded in his personality.

That intellect on display can induce some of us to invest Obama with the properties of what some Freudians call "the one presumed to know." When presented with an apparent Obama error of policy or presentation, it's tempting to assume that he's "playing a long game," thinking five moves ahead, not focused on the daily news cycle, etc. etc. — rather than that he or his surrogates just miscalculated, or suffered a failure of nerve, or failed to pay attention, or caved to corporate interests, or otherwise erred.  We owe it to him and to the country not to cede our critical faculties and to oppose him when we believe he's of-course.

But there's another side to this.  In assessing a leader's  actions or positions, personality can't be discounted entirely. That goes for writers too, and anyone else who influences us.  Take Greenwald, for example. His powerful polemics are fueled by a personality that never suffers doubt. It's hard to imagine him considering that were he ever in power, he might see some issues differently  And therefore to consider whether his own point of view might in some instances be partial — and whether in such circumstances, God forbid, it might be rational to give a leader who explains his own reasoning in detail the benefit of the doubt.

Greenwald's writings on Afghanistan are a case in point. So many writers deeply versed in U.S. foreign policy — Steve Coll, Andrew Exum,  Fred Kaplan, Joe Klein, James Fallows — have admitted to doubt as to the right course, whether they recommend a specific course or not. Fallows, hardly one to cede his judgment to leadership (though a self-confessed nonexpert on that part of the world), plainly senses with every instinct that the U.S. will never foster a viable government in Afghanistan. Yet his respect for Obama's process and reasoning led him to title his post following Obama's West Point speech, "Well, I hope he's right"   and to allow for the possibility that he might be. Not Greenwald.  Here's a sampling of his writing on the subject:

How long are we going to continue to do this?  We invade and occupy a country, and then label as "insurgents" or even "terrorists" the people in that country who fight against our invasion and occupation.  With the most circular logic imaginable, we then insist that we must remain in order to defeat the "insurgents" and "terrorists" — largely composed of people whose only cause for fighting is our presence in their country.  All the while, we clearly exacerbate the very problem we are allegedly attempting to address — Terrorism — by predictably and inevitably increasing anti-American anger and hatred through our occupation, which, no matter the strategy, inevitably entails our killing innocent civilians.  Indeed, does Hoh's description of what drives the insurgency — anger "against the presence of foreign soldiers" – permit the conclusion that that's all going to be placated with a shift to a kind and gentle counter-insurgency strategy?

Powerful stuff. But some facts and strong counter-theories are conspicuously left out, e.g. 1) U.S. neglect of Aghanistan after the Soviets pulled out led to years of civil war contributed mightily to the rise of the Taliban, and the safe haven for al Qaeda. 2) The cycle described here was to some degree arrested in Iraq by the surge. 3) The Afghan people were not hostilely disposed toward the U.S. and allies when the Taliban were first driven out, and the country was hardly 'occupied ' by the minimal forces deployed in the aftermath. Again, arguably, the country spun into chaos more because of U.S. neglect than because of a too-heavy occupying hand. 5) Even now, the populace as a whole is not ill-disposed toward the U.S . or well-disposed toward the Taliban. 

This is not to say that Greenwald — and Matthew Hoh, whose argument he was seconding in this post — may not prove right about the futility of the U.S. attempt to stabilize Afghanistan. The point, again, is that absence of doubt is a limitation as well as a strength of Greenwald's. As Andrew Exum wrote in reference to this post:

Look, if someone writes something and it matches up with your opinion, by all means say so. But I know about 50 really smart people on Afghanistan with lots of time on the ground there, and no two have the same opinion about what U.S. policy should be. Let's not turn one dude whose opinions on Afghanistan happen to line up with the zeitgeist into the flippin' Delphic oracle.

Certainty comes from ideological consistency, and Greenwald is nothing if not consistent.  His contrast between "corporatist" and anticorporatist Democrats has a lot of truth to it, as does his portrayal of Obama as someone generally willing to play ball with corporate interests. But I think he underestimates  the realism, and the purpose behind the realism, behind Obama's conciliatory approach. The Senate health care reform bill, if something very like it passes, may transform health care delivery and health care insurance — over twenty years, with many subsequent reforms built on the basic structure. Obama is determined to move the battleship by degrees, because that's the only way it can be moved. Greenwald considers the Senate HCR bill a gift to the insurance industry. I see it more as a trade — 30 million new customers in exchange for ending their worst practices, not to mention some stiff taxes. 

Further, while no one would accuse Greenwald of not thinking out any of his own policy positions, most people who adopt a pronounced ideological framework tend to buy at least some of their opinions off the rack. (Okay, so do those who don't adopt one.) Some might even follow Greenwald (or, say, Rachel Maddow) in lockstep. In many cases, opposing a leader who tacks to what's perceived as the center on a given issue may be just as reflexive and represent just as much an abdication of independent thought as supporting a charismatic head of the party with whom one identifies.

Finally, judgment based in part on assessment of personality is not only inherent in human nature, it's essential to democracy. Though most people would probably disagree, I believe that over the long curve of history the electorate continues to prove itself smarter than all of us.  That's because the mass of voters — or at least of swing voters — are moved by some alchemy of events and response to the individuals competing for their vote.  Campaigns can obfuscate, and sometimes the obfuscation prevails. But you still can't fool all of the people all of the time.

A Terrorism Laffer Curve

by Patrick Appel

DiA writes about Muslim organizations refusing to cooperate with the FBI because of tactics used the government:

I've always thought these kinds of situations can probably be sketched with a sort of Laffer curve. In principle, you're going to be able to get the same amount of terrorist violence at two places along a curve of repressive law enforcement: a low-repression point, where the population is cooperative and feels included, and a high-repression point, where the population is angry and alienated but a lot of them are in jail. It's worth expending some effort to try and stay on the low end of that curve. 

This sounds a lot like the concept Conor tried to sketch out over last weekend.

Nelson Comes Through, Ctd

by Patrick Appel

Greg Sarget analyzes the health care news:

[Sen. Ben] Nelson said that the bill had to effectively remain as is, or he would vote against it in the final cloture vote after conference negotiations, which also requires 60. In effect, Nelson is still pointing a gun at the head of reform, and telling House liberals that if they move a muscle, he’ll pull the trigger.

Swallowing the spider to catch the fly in Afghanistan, cont.


by Andrew Sprung

In this Bloggingheads exchange, Heather Hurlburt of the National Security Network tries to explain why the U.S. has to fight in Afghanistan to keep Pakistan from imploding — and expresses some surprise that Obama did not talk more about Pakistan in his West Point speech. Eric Posner quite effectively plays the bemused ordinary citizen who doesn't get the logic of "fight in Country A to stabilize Country B."

One More Time

by Patrick Appel

A reader writes:

If Newbusters is going to be give The Dish a hard time for openly using underbloggers, they’d better also go after most every op-ed columnist at this country’s major papers. For example, the Times illustrious Nick Kristof almost always uses an assistant or two for help with research, editing, and idea formulation. I’ve only ever seen this acknowledged on his blog; he has perhaps mentioned it in a column, but it is neither acknowledged regularly within or permanently along-side his columns, which is a notable difference in comparison to Andrew, Chris, and you. I say this not to pick on Kristof, but merely to point out a high-profile and Pulitzer Prize-winning example. Andrew is far and away more open about the assistance he receives than are most, if not all, opinion leaders.

Althouse twists my word:

You know, I have had my run-ins with Sullivan. He mocked my engagement announcement. He’s given me Sarah-Palin-related assignments. I have paid a lot of attention to these things on my blog. (Here and here, for example.) I seriously believed I was interacting with Sullivan, a writer I have respected for maybe 20 years. I wouldn’t have bothered with Patrick (or Chris). I really don’t care what they think. If they insult me, they are to me like any number of bloggers who insult me and whose bait I don’t take. I would always take Sullivan’s bait, because Sullivan is important. Not to know whether it’s Sullivan or one of them makes a mush out of the whole blog. I’m not wading through all of this ghost-generated verbiage and guessing about what might be the real thing.

That was all Andrew. As I’ve said from the start, all substantive posts that take positions are written by him. If you don’t understand that by now you are seriously misreading what I have written or acting in bad faith. Althouse later takes issue with the “basically” when I wrote that ” basically everything I write under Andrew’s name is a naked link or excerpt.” I wrote “basically” because there have been occasions, like the announcement of last year’s awards contest or the introduction of guest bloggers, where Andrew has asked me to draft a post with relevant information for him to edit. This reader explains things better than me:

All due respect, but you’re making the “Life As Part Of Sully’s Brain” debate way too complicated. Engaging this and over-explaining it simply gives the impression that you have something to explain or hide. Stop it, already, because it’s painful to read. The reality is simple:

1. Posts that engage in opinion (or even sly comments such as the daily wraps), where the credibility of the poster is of valid interest, are designated in some manner to the appropriate party, whether through initials or “signatures” beneath the headline. All other posts default credit to Andrew, as it’s his name on the masthead. 2. Posts that provide merely fact-based information or links to news or entertainment where the credibility of the poster is of no consequence, could be from anyone in your hive who felt it was worth noting.

Or, for those who lack attention span:

Opinion Posts = Attribution

Facts / Informative links = No attribution

Even elementary school children should be able to understand that facts do not require attribution for third parties merely passing the information along. The only people who could possibly feel betrayed by this common process are people who’ve never undertaken a collaborative writing project in a responsible, professional environment and do not understand the demands of journalistic-level fact-finding and screening. Feeling “betrayed” because ethical people work together seamlessly to contribute to the major works of a high profile individual is like feeling betrayed over the idea that the guy who baked your donuts didn’t also harvest and process his own flour.

Further, you have had attribution for “Dish Prep” staff on the blog for some time now, and Andrew has made frequent mention of how much help he gets to make the blog possible. Stop engaging these people. You’ve all been reasonable and provided more than appropriate transparency — this “debate” only exists for people looking for something to be upset over.

Anyone that believes Andrew (or anyone who works as a colleague of his) would allow his voice to be usurped or allow someone else to take the fall for his point of view is either not regular reader of the dish or needs a nap and a cookie. Andrew has many faults, and I’m sure any number of us could name the things we like and dislike about his views and the Dish itself, but no one can accuse Andrew of not standing by (and being held accountable for) his own opinions, or taking credit for things not his own. He (and the Dish) have taken way too many hits for having the courage of convictions of all flavors.

I could have let this drop awhile ago or not began the conversation in the first place, but I enjoy describing our process and we owe it to the readership to explain the mechanics of the Dish. Andrew’s blogging adversaries will use anything and everything against him, a fact proven once again by this tempest in a teapot. A final reader:

I know you’ve voiced differing opinions on this issue, but I need to offer my support. The criticism of the Daily Dish’s blog structure is, to me, insane. So you post a number of blurbs from other bloggers and links to various items each day. How in any way is this “ghostblogging?” It’s aggregating, if anything. Anyone who reads a post like this, or this, or this, and sees it as a somehow dishonest account of Andrew’s opinion needs to learn to read properly. Even if Andrew had written those posts (I presume you did), there’s virtually no opinion whatsoever within them — only the words of the people and articles you’re referencing. This is what it looks like when Andrew is offering his own opinion.

Perhaps someone like Markay sees the choice of news content as opinion in and of itself. This would be valid if the blog only linked to articles supporting Andrew’s key opinions. But it doesn’t. The beauty of the Daily Dish is in the open airing of dissent, the consideration of all opinions and facts along his and our journey to our own opinions. We see this in the “dissent of the day” section, in the various letters from readers. Consider “The View From Your Sick Bed,” or the reader responses to George Tiller’s murder and the issue of late term abortion. None of those expressed Andrew’s opinion – they were merely the airing of opinions he was willing to consider. How is it dishonest for you to have authored and posted them, under his supervision?

A number of the posts this reader attributes to me were written by Andrew, but they look much like my posts. Here is a representative sample of the posts I was referring to in my initial post: The Left Goes To War, Citing The Gospels, Fake Cuts, The View From Uganda, Against The Clash, and Chart Of The Day.

Depressing Christmas Songs, Ctd

by Chris Bodenner A reader submits Aimee Mann’s “Calling on Mary.” Lyrics after the jump:

I heard the sidewalk Santa say:
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas
Salvation’s coming cheap today
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas

I searched the skyline for a star
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas
And baby I wondered where you are
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas

‘Cause comfort’s not possible when
You look past the joy to the end

Calling on Mary is voluntary
Unless you’re alone like me
If there’s a star above, then it can look like love
When they light up the Christmas tree

When I was young I couldn’t see
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas
All that my true love gave to me
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas

She offered sight to the blind
But I’m not the miracle kind

Calling on Mary is voluntary
Unless you’re alone like me
If there’s a star above, then it can look like love
When they light up the Christmas tree

And to all the lost souls down below:
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas
What’s one more drifter in the snow?
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas!

If there’s a star above, then it can look like love
When they light up the Christmas tree
If there’s a star above, then it can look like love

Wannabe Crabs, Ctd

by Chris Bodenner

After watching this video we posted of coconut-carrying octopuses, a reader points to an interesting article that Slate published last year:

YouTube is loaded with evidence of what some might call octopus intelligence. One does an uncanny impression of a flounder. Another mimics coral before darting away from a pushy camera. A third slips its arms around a jar, unscrews it, and dines on the crab inside. Scientific journals publish research papers on octopus learning, octopus personality, octopus memory. Now the octopus has even made it into the pages of the journal Consciousness and Cognition (along with its fellow cephalopods the squid and the cuttlefish). The title: "Cephalopod consciousness: behavioral evidence."

The earliest cephalopods, which lived about a half-billion years ago, had shells. Over the next 250 million years, they evolved into giant predators. They shot bursts of water out of siphons to swim—a prehistoric form of jet propulsion.* But their glory was cut short by fish with jaws—our ancestors. Fish could swim faster by bending their bodies than cephalopods could move by jetting. Today, only a single shelled cephalopod survives—the nautilus, which spends most of its life lurking deep underwater.

The other living cephalopods lost their shells. While they gave up a defense against predators, they were free to evolve new skills. Squids became fast swimmers. Octopuses instead moved to the sea floor, where they could use their shell-free bodies to explore cracks and crevices for prey. But in order to survive in this new niche, they had to become fast learners.

A word packed with blowback

by Andrew Sprung

Like many of Obama's perceived failures and equivocal triumphs, I suspect that yesterday's oh-so-partial climate deal will bear fruit over time.  But this sum-up from the President — notwithstanding his refusal to oversell — raises a red flag:

Mr Obama acknowledged that the deal was “not sufficient to combat the threat of climate change but [was] an important first step” on cutting greenhouse gases.

“We have made a meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough. For the first time in history, all of the major economies have come together to take action [on global warming],” he said after meetings with Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister, President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva of Brazil and Jacob Zuma, the South African president.

That "unprecedented" recalls Hillary's disastrous gush about Israel's "unprecedented" settlement freeze (never mind that it's true, whether or not it's enough).  And the "unprecedented" stimulus, and health care reform bill…all true. But all messy, partial, slow-acting. With fire incoming fire from left and right, that adjective is a rich target.